Grand Jury Testimony of Jessica Brothers

Grand Jury Testimony of Sheriff’s Deputy Jessica Brothers

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	13	YOU MAY CALL YOUR NEXT WITNESS.
	14	MR. HUM: THANK YOU.
	15	PEOPLE CALL DEPUTY JESSICA BROTHERS.
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	17	(PAUSE IN THE PROCEEDINGS.)
	18	(THE WITNESS ENTERED THE GRAND JURY
	19	HEARING ROOM.)
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	21	MS. PRIVER: IF YOU WOULD WALK TOWARDS THE WITNESS
	22	STAND, MA'AM. REMAIN STANDING. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND
	23	FOR US.
	24	FACE THE GENTLEMAN IN THE CENTER.
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	26	JESSICA BROTHERS,
	27	CALLED AS A WITNESS BEFORE THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY
	28	OF LOS ANGELES, WAS SWORN AND TESTIFIED AS FOLLOWS:



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	1	THE FOREPERSON: DO YOU SOLEMNLY STATE THAT THE
	2	EVIDENCE YOU SHALL GIVE IN THIS MATTER NOW PENDING BEFORE
	3	THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES SHALL BE THE
	4	TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO
	5	HELP YOU GOD?
	6	THE WITNESS: YES.
	7	MS. PRIVER: THANK YOU.
	8	PLEASE BE SEATED.
	9	WOULD YOU STATE AND SPELL YOUR FULL NAME
	10	FOR THE RECORD.
	11	THE WITNESS: MY FULL NAME IS JESSICA PAIGE
	12	BROTHERS. J-E-S-S-I-C-A. MIDDLE NAME IS PAIGE,
	13	P-A-I-G-E. AND THE LAST NAME IS BROTHERS,
	14	B-R-O-T-H-E-R-S.
	15	MS. PRIVER: THANK YOU.
	16	MR. HUM.
	17	MR. HUM: THANK YOU.
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	19	EXAMINATION
	20	BY MR. HUM:
	21	Q GOOD MORNING, DEPUTY BROTHERS.
	22	A GOOD MORNING.
	23	Q MA'AM, WHAT IS YOUR OCCUPATION AND
	24	ASSIGNMENT?
	25	A I AM A DEPUTY SHERIFF FOR THE COUNTY OF LOS
	26	ANGELES, LOMITA STATION.
	27	Q AND WERE YOU SO EMPLOYED AND ASSIGNED ON
	28	WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 8TH OF 2000?



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	1	A YES, I WAS.
	2	Q HOW MANY YEARS HAVE YOU BEEN A DEPUTY
	3	SHERIFF?
	4	A I HAVE BEEN A DEPUTY SHERIFF FOR EIGHT
	5	YEARS.
	6	Q NOW, ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 8TH OF 2000, AT
	7	ABOUT 3:00 O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON, WERE YOU WORKING?
	8	A YES, I WAS.
	9	Q WERE YOU ON PATROL?
	10	A YES, I WAS.
	11	Q WERE YOU IN UNIFORM?
	12	A YES.
	13	Q WERE YOU IN A MARKED BLACK-AND-WHITE POLICE
	14	CAR?
	15	A YES, I WAS.
	16	Q WERE YOU BY YOURSELF OR WERE YOU WITH A
	17	PARTNER?
	18	A I WAS WITH A PARTNER.
	19	Q AND WHAT WAS YOUR PARTNER'S NAME?
	20	A HIS NAME IS KLAUS GIRMES.
	21	MS. PRIVER: CAN YOU SPELL THAT FOR US?
	22	THE WITNESS: ABSOLUTELY. K-L-A-U-S. AND HIS
	23	LAST NAME IS G-I-R-M-E-S.
	24	MS. PRIVER: THANK YOU.
	25	Q BY MR. HUM: AT THE TIME THAT YOU WERE ON
	26	PATROL WITH DEPUTY GIRMES, HOW LONG HAD YOU BEEN OUT
	27	ACTUALLY ON THE STREETS, THAT IS, ON PATROL?
	28	AND WHEN I SAY "HOW LONG," I DON'T MEAN HOW



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	1	MANY HOURS; I MEAN WHAT PERIOD OF TIME, A WEEK, A MONTH.
	2	A APPROXIMATELY FIVE WEEKS.
	3	Q PRIOR TO THAT HAD YOU BEEN ASSIGNED TO THE
	4	CUSTODY DIVISION, THE JAILS?
	5	A YES.
	6	Q NOW, AT ABOUT 3:00 O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON
	7	ON NOVEMBER 8TH OF 2000, HAD YOU JUST STARTED YOUR SHIFT?
	8	A YES, AT 2:00 P.M.
	9	Q AND DOES PART OF THE AREA OF YOUR
	10	RESPONSIBILITY INCLUDE THE AREA OF ABALONE COVE,
	11	PORTUGUESE POINT AND INSPIRATION POINT?
	12	A THAT IS PART OF OUR STATION'S AREA THAT WE
	13	COVER, YES.
	14	Q AT APPROXIMATELY 3:00 O'CLOCK IN THE
	15	AFTERNOON ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 8TH OF 2000, DID YOU
	16	RECEIVE A RADIO CALL?
	17	A YES, I DID.
	18	Q WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF THAT RADIO CALL?
	19	A IT WAS A RESCUE CALL, AND THE CALL STATED
	20	THAT A CHILD WAS OVER THE CLIFF.
	21	Q AND WERE YOU DIRECTED TO RESPOND TO ANY
	22	PARTICULAR LOCATION?
	23	A YES, WE WERE. IT WAS -- WE WERE DIRECTED
	24	TO RESPOND TO AN AREA OFF OF PALOS VERDES DRIVE SOUTH
	25	BETWEEN, I BELIEVE IT WAS, CHERRY HILL AND PEPPERTREE.
	26	Q AND HOW WERE YOU DIRECTED TO RESPOND?
	27	A CODE 3, WHICH MEANS WITH LIGHTS AND SIRENS.
	28	Q AND APPROXIMATELY HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU



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	1	TO GET TO THAT LOCATION ONCE YOU RECEIVED THE CALL?
	2	A IT TOOK APPROXIMATELY EIGHT MINUTES.
	3	Q WHAT'S THE MAIN STREET THAT YOU WERE
	4	DRIVING ON IN THAT AREA TO GET TO THE LOCATION?
	5	A ACTUALLY WE RESPONDED FROM GRANVIA ALTAMIRA
	6	AND HAWTHORNE IN RANCHO PALOS VERDES. WE TOOK HAWTHORNE
	7	TO PALOS VERDES DRIVE SOUTH.
	8	MS. PRIVER: THE ROAD THAT YOU SAID YOU WERE AT,
	9	THE INTERSECTION --
	10	THE WITNESS: THE INTERSECTION WAS GRANVIA
	11	ALTAMIRA.
	12	MS. PRIVER: -- WOULD YOU SPELL THAT.
	13	THE WITNESS: I WILL TAKE A STAB AT IT.
	14	G-R-A-N-V-I-A, AND THEN THE NEXT WORD IS A-L-T-A-M-I-R-A.
	15	MS. PRIVER: THANK YOU.
	16	Q BY MR. HUM: YOU SAID THAT AFTER OR DURING
	17	THE TIME THAT YOU WERE GOING TO THE LOCATION YOU WERE
	18	DRIVING ALONG PALOS VERDES DRIVE SOUTH?
	19	A CORRECT.
	20	Q CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT ROAD FOR US?
	21	A THAT ROAD TRAVELS ALONG THE PENINSULA IN
	22	SORT OF A BLUFF-TYPE/CLIFF-TYPE AREA. YOU CAN SEE THE
	23	PACIFIC OCEAN AND THE PALOS VERDES PENINSULA. YOU WILL
	24	FOLLOW THE PENINSULA, AND THE OCEAN IS ON ONE SIDE AND
	25	THE BLUFFS ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
	26	Q IN THE AREA WHERE YOU WERE RESPONDING IS
	27	THE ROAD DOWN ALONG THE OCEANFRONT?
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	1	OCEANFRONT.
	2	Q SO IT WOULD BE ALONG THE TOP OF THE
	3	BLUFFS --
	4	A CORRECT.
	5	Q -- OR ALONG THE TOP OF THE CLIFFS?
	6	A CORRECT.
	7	Q AND AS YOU WERE DRIVING ALONG PALOS VERDES
	8	DRIVE SOUTH, TELL US WHAT YOU SAW AND WHERE YOU WENT.
	9	A AS WE DROVE ALONG PALOS VERDES DRIVE SOUTH,
	10	WHEN WE GOT NEAR -- IN BETWEEN CHERRY HILL AND
	11	PEPPERTREE, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE IT WAS BETWEEN THOSE TWO
	12	ROADS, WE WERE HEADED TO THAT AREA WHEN WE SAW AN L.A.
	13	COUNTY FIRE ENGINE PARKED ALONGSIDE PALOS VERDES DRIVE
	14	SOUTH, SO WE STOPPED THERE.
	15	Q WAS THE FIRE ENGINE PARKED ALONG THE OCEAN
	16	SIDE OR THE OTHER SIDE?
	17	A IT WAS PARKED ALONG THE OCEAN SIDE.
	18	Q AND TELL US WHAT YOU SAW AND WHAT YOU DID
	19	ONCE YOU STOPPED BY THE FIRE TRUCK.
	20	A ONCE WE STOPPED, WE WERE DIRECTED DOWN THE
	21	BLUFF-TYPE AREA, DOWN A TRAIL TO AN ARCHERY RANGE AND
	22	SOME PICNIC TABLES -- A PICNIC AREA AND PICNIC TABLES
	23	WITHIN THAT ARCHERY RANGE.
	24	Q WHEN YOU LEFT PALOS VERDES DRIVE SOUTH AND
	25	YOU HEADED TOWARDS THE ARCHERY RANGE, WERE YOU WALKING
	26	ON LEVEL GROUND?
	27	A NO. IT'S A FAIRLY STEEP INCLINE. THERE IS
	28	A TRAIL, BUT IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER MILE DOWN FROM THE



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	1	ROAD.
	2	Q AND ARE THERE BLUFFS OR CLIFFS ON BOTH
	3	SIDES AS YOU WALK DOWN TO THE ARCHERY RANGE?
	4	A THERE IS. THERE IS A CLIFF-TYPE BLUFF ON
	5	THE --
	6	WHEN WE WERE WALKING DOWNRANGE, IT WOULD
	7	HAVE BEEN ON THE RIGHT SIDE. ON THE LEFT THERE IS ONE,
	8	BUT IT IS A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY. IT IS NOT IN THE
	9	IMMEDIATE AREA OF IT.
	10	Q AS YOU GOT TO THE ARCHERY RANGE, DESCRIBE
	11	FOR US WHAT YOU SAW.
	12	A WHEN I GOT TO THE ARCHERY RANGE, I SAW
	13	PARAMEDICS SURROUNDING A PICNIC TABLE, AND A SMALL CHILD
	14	WAS LYING ON TOP OF THE TABLE. THEY WERE -- THEY WERE
	15	WORKING ON HER. AND THEN I SAW A WHITE MALE STANDING
	16	NEAR AN ADJACENT PICNIC TABLE.
	17	Q THE LITTLE GIRL THAT YOU SAW ON THE PICNIC
	18	TABLE, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK OVER TO THE BOARD THERE,
	19	TO THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS EXHIBIT NO. 3. IS
	20	THAT THE LITTLE GIRL YOU SAW?
	21	A YES, IT IS.
	22	Q AND THE MALE THAT YOU SAW STANDING NEARBY,
	23	DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE PHOTO WHICH IS EXHIBIT
	24	NO. 2, IS THAT THE MALE THAT WAS STANDING NEARBY?
	25	A YES, IT IS.
	26	Q NOW, YOU SAID THE PARAMEDICS WERE WORKING
	27	ON THE LITTLE GIRL?
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	1	Q ABOUT HOW FAR AWAY WAS THE PERSON IN THE
	2	PHOTO, EXHIBIT 2, FROM LAUREN, THE LITTLE GIRL?
	3	A MAYBE THREE FEET.
	4	Q WAS HE TRYING TO GET CLOSE TO HER? WAS HE
	5	TRYING TO GO OVER TO HER?
	6	A NO. HE WAS JUST STANDING THERE.
	7	Q I WANT TO SHOW YOU A MAP AND SOME PHOTOS
	8	AND HAVE YOU IDENTIFY THOSE FOR US.
	9	A OKAY.
	10	Q FIRST OF ALL, JUST SHOWING YOU WHAT'S BEEN
	11	MARKED AS EXHIBIT NO. 4, DO YOU RECOGNIZE THE AREA SHOWN
	12	IN THAT MAP?
	13	A YES, I DO.
	14	Q IF YOU COULD JUST COME DOWN HERE.
	15	MS. PRIVER: KEEP YOUR VOICE UP IF YOU ARE GOING
	16	TO BE BY THE BOARD, PLEASE.
	17	THE WITNESS: YES, MA'AM.
	18	Q BY MR. HUM: JUST USING THE POINTER FOR US,
	19	CAN YOU SHOW US THE AREA THAT YOU DROVE AS YOU WERE
	20	RESPONDING TO THE RADIO CALL?
	21	A WHEN WE WERE ON PALOS VERDES DRIVE SOUTH,
	22	WE ACTUALLY CAME DOWN THIS WAY (POINTING), WHICH ISN'T
	23	OBVIOUSLY ON THE MAP; BUT THEN WE CAME EASTBOUND ON PALOS
	24	VERDES DRIVE SOUTH, AND WE STOPPED APPROXIMATELY HERE
	25	(POINTING).
	26	Q AND YOU ARE INDICATING AN AREA WHICH WOULD
	27	BE JUST TO THE RIGHT OF WHERE IT SAYS "GATE FOR
	28	PEPPERTREE"; IS THAT CORRECT?



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	1	A CORRECT.
	2	Q OKAY. NOW, THE TWO POINTS THAT ARE
	3	STICKING OUT INTO THE OCEAN, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT AS WE
	4	LOOK AT THE MAP, IS THAT INSPIRATION POINT?
	5	A YES, IT IS.
	6	Q AND THE ARCHERY RANGE THAT YOU SAID THAT
	7	YOU WALKED DOWN OR HIKED DOWN THE PATH TO, WHICH SIDE OF
	8	INSPIRATION POINT IS THAT ON?
	9	A IT'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE. IT'S APPROXIMATELY
	10	HERE (POINTING).
	11	MS. PRIVER: CAN YOU STAND MAYBE A LITTLE TO THE
	12	SIDE.
	13	THE WITNESS: SORRY.
	14	THE ARCHERY RANGE WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY
	15	HERE (POINTING).
	16	Q BY MR. HUM: SO AS WE ARE LOOKING AT THE
	17	MAP, IT'S ACTUALLY TO THE RIGHT OF INSPIRATION POINT; IS
	18	THAT CORRECT?
	19	A CORRECT.
	20	Q NOW SHOWING YOU WHAT'S BEEN MARKED AS
	21	EXHIBIT NO. 5, PHOTOS A AND B, DOES THAT SHOW THE AREA
	22	THAT YOU HAVE REFERRED TO AS THE ARCHERY RANGE?
	23	A YES, IT DOES.
	24	Q AND WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD, JUST BEGINNING
	25	WITH PHOTO A, AND TELL US WHAT WE SEE IN EACH ONE OF
	26	THOSE.
	27	A THE PHOTO IN PICTURE A IS THE PICNIC AREA I
	28	DESCRIBED. IT'S COVERED. IT'S ABOUT A QUARTER MILE FROM



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	1	THE ROAD, WHICH IS UP TOP HERE, WHICH IS PALOS VERDES
	2	DRIVE SOUTH. YOU HAVE TO HIKE DOWN OVER HERE (POINTING),
	3	BUT THEN YOU CAN COME IN TOWARDS THE PICNIC TABLE AREA.
	4	AND IT'S, LIKE THE PICTURE DEPICTS, A COVERED PATIO AREA
	5	WITH SEVERAL -- IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT SEVERAL PICNIC
	6	TABLES, FOUR OR FIVE PICNIC TABLES.
	7	Q AND WHAT DO WE SEE IN PHOTO B?
	8	A IN PHOTO B, THAT'S A PHOTO TAKEN FROM
	9	INSIDE OF THE COVERED PATIO. THIS PHOTO RIGHT -- THE
	10	PICNIC TABLE RIGHT HERE (POINTING) IS THE PICNIC TABLE
	11	THAT LAUREN WAS LYING ON WHEN I WALKED UP TO THE AREA.
	12	Q AND THAT'S BASICALLY THE PICNIC TABLE IN
	13	THE CENTER WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE A STAIN AT ONE END; IS
	14	THAT CORRECT?
	15	A CORRECT.
	16	Q AND THEN WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT AS WE GO
	17	THROUGH PHOTOS C, D, E AND F? WOULD THAT JUST BE THE
	18	PATH DOWN TO THE BEACH?
	19	A YES, IT IS.
	20	Q OKAY. AND THE AREA IN PHOTO C AND D, THE
	21	ROCKY AREA ON THE RIGHT, IS THAT INSPIRATION POINT?
	22	A I'M SORRY, ON C AND D?
	23	Q YES.
	24	A YES, IT IS. IT IS THE UPPER POINT BY WHERE
	25	THERE IS A LITTLE -- IT LOOKS LIKE A BLUR FROM HERE, BUT
	26	IT'S A BUSH. AND THAT'S THE TOP OF INSPIRATION POINT.
	27	Q WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT.
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	1	Q NOW, AFTER YOU AND YOUR PARTNER WALKED DOWN
	2	AND SAW WHAT WAS GOING ON, DID YOU AND YOUR PARTNER
	3	CONTACT THE PERSON WHO YOU LATER FOUND OUT TO BE CAMERON
	4	BROWN?
	5	A YES, I DID -- WE DID.
	6	Q DID YOU ASK CAMERON BROWN WHAT HAD
	7	HAPPENED?
	8	A YES, WE DID.
	9	Q AND WHAT DID HE TELL YOU?
	10	A HE SAID HE AND HIS DAUGHTER WERE WALKING,
	11	THEY WALKED ALONG THE CLIFF, AND THEY WERE AT THE TOP OF
	12	INSPIRATION POINT; LAUREN WAS THROWING ROCKS OFF THE EDGE
	13	OF INSPIRATION POINT WHEN SHE SUDDENLY FELL.
	14	Q DID YOU ASK HIM WHERE, WHAT AREA HE WAS
	15	TALKING ABOUT, WHEN HE SAID INSPIRATION POINT?
	16	A YES, I DID. AND HE INDICATED TO ME THAT
	17	INSPIRATION POINT WAS THE AREA DEPICTED IN C AND D AND,
	18	IN FACT, HE HAD INDICATED -- HE HAD POINTED OUT THAT BUSH
	19	THAT I POINTED OUT A MINUTE AGO AS TO WHERE IT WAS.
	20	MS. PRIVER: C AND D OF EXHIBIT 5, FOR THE RECORD.
	21	Q BY MR. HUM: AND HE SAID THAT IT WAS
	22	ACTUALLY NEAR THAT BUSH THAT YOU POINTED OUT TO US AT THE
	23	END OF THE POINT WHERE HE AND LAUREN WERE WHEN LAUREN WAS
	24	THROWING ROCKS AND SUPPOSEDLY SLIPPED?
	25	A CORRECT.
	26	Q WHAT DID MR. BROWN TELL YOU HE DID AFTER HE
	27	SAID LAUREN SLIPPED?
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	1	GONE HE WALKED TO THE -- IT WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE OF
	2	INSPIRATION POINT, DOWN TOWARDS AN AREA WE KNOW AS THE
	3	NUDE BEACH, AND ASKED TO USE A CELLPHONE TO CALL FOR
	4	HELP.
	5	Q AND WHAT DID HE SAY HAPPENED THEN?
	6	A HE SAID HE USED THE PHONE, CALLED FOR HELP,
	7	THEN WALKED BACK UP OVER THE CLIFF, AROUND TO THE OTHER
	8	SIDE BY THE ARCHERY RANGE, AND WENT TO RETRIEVE LAUREN.
	9	Q AND WHERE DID HE SAY HE TOOK LAUREN AFTER
	10	HE RETRIEVED HER OUT OF THE WATER?
	11	A AFTER HE RETRIEVED HER FROM THE WATER HE
	12	PUT HER ON THE PICNIC TABLE.
	13	Q NOW, AT THE TIME THAT YOU WERE SPEAKING
	14	WITH MR. BROWN, DID THERE APPEAR TO BE SOME MEDIA
	15	ATTENTION?
	16	A YES.
	17	Q AND WERE THERE ACTUALLY HELICOPTERS, NEWS
	18	HELICOPTERS, FLYING OVERHEAD?
	19	A YES, THERE WERE.
	20	Q DID CAMERON BROWN ASK YOU TO DO ANYTHING?
	21	A YES. HE ASKED ME TO CALL HIS WIFE TO LET
	22	HER KNOW THAT -- APPARENTLY HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HOME,
	23	AND HE DIDN'T WANT HER TO SEE HIM ON THE NEWS, SO HE
	24	WANTED TO CALL HER AND LET HER KNOW HE WAS GOING TO BE
	25	LATE.
	26	Q DID HE TELL YOU THAT HE DIDN'T WANT HIS
	27	WIFE TO FIND OUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED BY SEEING IT ON THE
	28	NEWS?



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	1	A YES.
	2	Q AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WHEN YOU WERE
	3	SPEAKING WITH CAMERON BROWN, DID YOU KNOW THAT HIS WIFE
	4	WAS NOT LAUREN'S MOTHER?
	5	A NO, I DID NOT KNOW THAT.
	6	Q DID HE INDICATE TO YOU AT THE TIME HE WAS
	7	ASKING YOU TO CALL HIS WIFE, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT HER
	8	TO SEE IT ON TV, THAT HIS WIFE WAS NOT LAUREN'S MOTHER?
	9	A HE MADE NO INDICATION THAT SHE WAS NOT HER
	10	MOTHER.
	11	Q DID HE ASK TO CALL LAUREN'S MOTHER AND TELL
	12	HER WHAT HAD HAPPENED?
	13	A NO.
	14	Q DID HE INDICATE TO YOU IN ANY WAY THAT HE
	15	WAS CONCERNED THAT LAUREN'S MOTHER MIGHT FIND OUT WHAT
	16	HAD HAPPENED BY SEEING IT ON THE NEWS?
	17	A NO. AS FAR AS PHONE CALLS GO, HE ONLY
	18	WANTED TO CALL HIS WIFE. THAT'S THE ONLY PERSON HE
	19	WANTED TO CALL.
	20	Q DID CAMERON BROWN INDICATE ANYTHING TO YOU
	21	ABOUT ANY CONCERN WITH REGARD TO THE MEDIA HELICOPTERS?
	22	A HE DID NOT WANT TO BE FILMED BY ANY OF THE
	23	MEDIA HELICOPTERS AND ASKED IF WE COULD ENSURE THAT HE
	24	WAS NOT GOING TO BE ON CAMERA.
	25	Q AT SOME POINT DID YOU FIND OUT THAT CAMERON
	26	BROWN'S WIFE WAS NOT LAUREN'S MOTHER?
	27	A AT SOME POINT I DID.
	28	Q AND HOW DID YOU FIND THAT OUT?



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	1	A WHEN I ASKED FOR HIS NAME AND LAUREN'S FULL
	2	NAME, I NOTICED THAT HER -- LAUREN'S LAST NAME WAS
	3	DIFFERENT THAN CAMERON BROWN'S NAME AND ASKED WHY, AND
	4	THEN I FOUND OUT.
	5	Q SO THAT WAS THE FIRST INDICATION THAT YOU
	6	HAD THAT HIS WIFE WAS NOT LAUREN'S MOTHER, CORRECT?
	7	A CORRECT.
	8	Q DID CAMERON BROWN INDICATE TO YOU THAT HE
	9	HAD TRIED TO PERFORM ANY TYPE OF RESCUE MANEUVERS ON
	10	LAUREN?
	11	A YES, HE SAID HE TRIED TO PERFORM C.P.R.
	12	Q AND HOW DID THAT TOPIC COME UP?
	13	A THAT TOPIC CAME UP ACTUALLY AS WE WENT OVER
	14	WHAT HAD HAPPENED, HIS ACTIONS FROM THE TIME THAT HE --
	15	ACTUALLY LEADING UP TO THE TIME WHERE SHE LEFT THE CLIFF
	16	AND AFTER HE REALIZED SHE WAS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CLIFF.
	17	WE GO OVER EVERYBODY'S ACTIONS.
	18	AND DURING THAT TIME HE HAD SAID THAT AFTER
	19	HE HAD REMOVED HER FROM THE WATER THAT HE ATTEMPTED
	20	C.P.R., AND THEN HE ASKED IF HE HAD BLOOD IN HIS MUSTACHE
	21	AND GOATEE.
	22	Q SO HE WANTED YOU TO CHECK TO SEE IF HE HAD
	23	ANY BLOOD IN HIS MUSTACHE AND GOATEE?
	24	A YES.
	25	Q DID YOU SEE ANY?
	26	A NO.
	27	Q DID YOU SEE ANY BLOOD ON CAMERON BROWN'S
	28	CLOTHING?



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	1	A YES. HE HAD A LARGE CIRCLE OF BLOOD ON THE
	2	BACK OF HIS SHIRT. AND THEN THAT WAS THE MAJOR BLOOD
	3	THAT I NOTICED.
	4	Q DID YOU NOTICE --
	5	LET ME ASK IT THIS WAY: HE TOLD YOU THAT
	6	HE WENT INTO THE WATER AND ACTUALLY RETRIEVED LAUREN'S
	7	BODY?
	8	A HE SAID HE DID.
	9	Q DID YOU NOTICE ANYTHING UNUSUAL ABOUT HIS
	10	CLOTHING WITH REGARD TO WHAT HE HAD TOLD YOU?
	11	A YES. HIS SHOES WERE WET. AND HIS CLOTHES,
	12	HE WAS WEARING SHORTS AND A T-SHIRT, THEY WERE DRY.
	13	Q DID YOU ASK CAMERON BROWN ABOUT THAT?
	14	A YES, I DID. HE SAID THAT AFTER HE LEFT THE
	15	NUDE BEACH AND WALKED TO THE OTHER SIDE, AROUND TO WHERE
	16	LAUREN'S BODY WAS, HE TOOK OFF HIS CLOTHES, HE STRIPPED
	17	TO HIS UNDERWEAR, SAT HIS CLOTHES ASIDE, LEFT HIS BOOTS
	18	ON AND THEN HE ENTERED THE WATER TO RETRIEVE LAUREN. AND
	19	THEN HE SAT HER -- ONCE HE PICKED HER UP OUT OF THE
	20	WATER, HE SET HER ON THE GROUND AND THEN HE TOOK HIS WET
	21	UNDERWEAR OFF AND PUT HIS CLOTHES, HIS DRY CLOTHES, BACK
	22	ON.
	23	Q AND DID HE TELL YOU HOW IT WAS THAT HE
	24	CARRIED LAUREN'S BODY BACK TO THE ARCHERY RANGE?
	25	A HE AT FIRST HAD PUT HER OVER HIS SHOULDER,
	26	WHICH IS WHERE THE BLOOD HAD COME FROM, KIND OF LIKE, I
	27	CALL IT, SACK OF POTATOES. I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE IT
	28	WOULD BE CALLED. AND THAT IS HOW THE BLOOD WAS ON HIS



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	1	SHIRT. AT SOME POINT HE HAD CHANGED HER TO A CRADLE
	2	POSITION, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WAS AS HE SAT HER ON THE
	3	TABLE.
	4	Q AFTER CAMERON BROWN GAVE YOU THIS
	5	INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED, DID HE LEAVE WITH
	6	ANOTHER DEPUTY TO GO DOWN TO THE BASE OF THE CLIFF?
	7	A HE WENT WITH MY SERGEANT AT SOME POINT.
	8	Q AND WHAT WAS YOUR SERGEANT'S NAME?
	9	A SERGEANT ERICKSON. I BELIEVE RICH
	10	ERICKSON.
	11	Q WHEN MR. BROWN AND SERGEANT ERICKSON WENT
	12	TOWARDS THE CLIFF, WHERE DID YOU GO?
	13	A I STAYED WITH LAUREN.
	14	Q AFTER SOME PERIOD OF TIME DID CAMERON BROWN
	15	COME BACK UP TO THE AREA WHERE YOU WERE?
	16	A YES, HE DID.
	17	Q WAS LAUREN'S BODY STILL ON THE TABLE?
	18	A YES, IT WAS.
	19	Q WAS IT COVERED WITH ANYTHING?
	20	A IT WAS COVERED WITH A, I BELIEVE IT WAS,
	21	PAPER; BUT IT WAS SOME SORT OF BLANKET THAT THE
	22	PARAMEDICS HAD LEFT.
	23	Q AND WERE YOU ASSIGNED TO STAY WITH CAMERON
	24	BROWN AND WITH LAUREN UNTIL THE HOMICIDE DETECTIVES
	25	ARRIVED?
	26	A YES, I WAS.
	27	Q WHERE DID YOU AND CAMERON BROWN WAIT FOR
	28	THE HOMICIDE DETECTIVES?



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	1	A IN THE PICNIC AREA WITH LAUREN.
	2	Q ABOUT HOW FAR FROM LAUREN'S BODY WAS IT
	3	THAT CAMERON BROWN WAITED FOR THE HOMICIDE DETECTIVES?
	4	A HE SAT AT AN ADJOINING TABLE, APPROXIMATELY
	5	THREE FEET AWAY.
	6	Q DID HE EVER MAKE ANY ATTEMPT TO GO OVER TO
	7	LAUREN, TO REMOVE THE SHEET, TO DO ANYTHING TO GET CLOSE
	8	TO HER?
	9	A NO.
	10	Q CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR US CAMERON BROWN'S
	11	DEMEANOR AS YOU WERE WAITING FOR THE HOMICIDE DETECTIVES?
	12	A THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE HIS DEMEANOR WAS
	13	MATTER OF FACTLY, NOT -- FOR THE MOST PART HE WOULD JUST
	14	SPEAK TO ME ABOUT VARIOUS THINGS, AND IN JUST A
	15	MATTER-OF-FACT TONE OF VOICE. MAYBE TWO OR THREE TIMES
	16	HE WOULD -- HE WOULD APPEAR TO BE SOBBING, BUT THEN IT
	17	WOULD QUICKLY -- THEN HE WOULD STOP ALL OF A SUDDEN, AND
	18	THEN HE WOULD TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
	19	BUT, AS I SAID, WE WERE THERE FOR --
	20	ACTUALLY WE WERE THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME BEFORE
	21	HOMICIDE ARRIVED; AND HE CRIED OR SOBBED MAYBE TWO TIMES,
	22	POSSIBLY THREE.
	23	Q DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT HOW LONG IT WAS THAT
	24	YOU WAITED? WOULD IT HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF HOURS AT
	25	LEAST?
	26	A IT WAS AT LEAST A COUPLE OF HOURS. SHE WAS
	27	PRONOUNCED, I THINK, AROUND NEAR 3:30 AND HOMICIDE DIDN'T
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	1	Q DURING THE TIME THAT YOU WERE SITTING AT
	2	THE TABLES, DID CAMERON BROWN PROVIDE YOU WITH MORE
	3	DETAILS OF WHAT HE CLAIMED HAPPENED?
	4	A HE DID.
	5	Q AND CAN YOU TELL US WHAT ADDITIONAL DETAILS
	6	HE GAVE YOU?
	7	A HE SAID THAT HE AND LAUREN -- INITIALLY
	8	THEY WENT TO A PLAYGROUND AT ABALONE COVE, WHICH IS WEST
	9	OF OUR LOCATION, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PORTUGUESE POINT.
	10	IT IS KIND OF HARD FOR ME TO DESCRIBE WITHOUT A MAP. BUT
	11	IT'S IN THE ABALONE COVE AREA, WHICH ACTUALLY LEADS TO
	12	SOME TIDE POOLS. THERE IS A PLAYGROUND THERE, AND A
	13	PRESCHOOL IS FOR SOME REASON THERE. AND THEY WERE THERE
	14	FOR A WHILE. LAUREN PLAYED ON SOME OF THE PLAYGROUND
	15	EQUIPMENT, SWINGING, I BELIEVE, AND THE SLIDE AND THAT
	16	SORT OF THING. AND AT SOME POINT THEY DECIDED TO GO FOR
	17	A HIKE, SO THEY HIKED FROM ABALONE COVE TO INSPIRATION
	18	POINT, WHERE THEY WALKED OUT TO INSPIRATION POINT. HE
	19	SAT ON A ROCK WHILE SHE THREW SMALLER ROCKS OFF OF THE
	20	CLIFF BEFORE IT HAPPENED.
	21	Q AND YOU SAID THAT HE POINTED -- HE ACTUALLY
	22	POINTED TO A BUSH WHICH WE CAN SEE IN EXHIBIT NO. 5,
	23	PHOTO C AND D, UP ON THE TOP OF INSPIRATION POINT AND
	24	SAID THAT WAS THE AREA THAT HE WAS; IS THAT CORRECT?
	25	A CORRECT.
	26	Q IN ADDITION TO POINTING TO THE BUSH, DID HE
	27	DESCRIBE THE AREA TO YOU AT ALL?
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	1	WAS SEATED ON -- AND THEN, AT THE TIME, IT DIDN'T MEAN AS
	2	MUCH TO ME -- BUT THAT LAUREN WAS A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE
	3	EDGE OF THE CLIFF AND SHE WAS THROWING ROCKS FROM THERE.
	4	I CAN GIVE YOU A BETTER DESCRIPTION. I
	5	HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE THAT TIME, OBVIOUSLY, SO I AM
	6	FAMILIAR WITH WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO.
	7	Q SURE, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND DESCRIBE
	8	IT FOR US.
	9	A UP AT THE TOP OF INSPIRATION POINT, WHERE
	10	THE BUSH IS, THERE IS -- IT IS NOT A TALL ROCK, BUT IT'S
	11	A BOULDER THAT'S SORT OF -- IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE SOMEBODY
	12	TURNED IT INTO A SEAT. IT'S PRETTY FLAT ON TOP, SO YOU
	13	CAN SIT THERE.
	14	I KIND OF HAVE TO USE A LITTLE HAND
	15	GESTURE. BUT THE BUSH AND THE ROCK WOULD BE UP HERE AT
	16	THE TOP. WELL, THE CLIFF GOES DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT
	17	MORE; AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, LAUREN WAS A LITTLE
	18	FURTHER DOWN ON THE CLIFF, AND THAT'S WHERE SHE WAS
	19	THROWING THE ROCKS, ACCORDING TO THE DESCRIPTION THAT
	20	CAMERON BROWN GAVE ME.
	21	Q SO THE ROCK AREA THAT YOU WERE DESCRIBING
	22	WITH YOUR HANDS IS MORE OF A FLATTER-TYPE AREA?
	23	A IT IS MORE OF A FLATTER-TYPE AREA.
	24	Q AND THEN WITH YOUR OTHER HAND YOU ARE
	25	SHOWING THAT THE CLIFF ACTUALLY SEEMS TO ANGLE DOWNWARDS
	26	MORE --
	27	A IT ANGLES DOWN.
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	1	A CORRECT.
	2	Q AND CAMERON BROWN TOLD YOU THAT LAUREN WAS
	3	FURTHER DOWN THAT ANGLED PORTION WHEN HE CLAIMS SHE FELL?
	4	A YES.
	5	MS. PRIVER: THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT IN TERMS OF
	6	THE HAND GESTURES SHE IS MAKING, SHE IS HOLDING ONE HAND
	7	OUT FLAT, WITH THE FINGERS TOGETHER, BUT MAKING A FLAT
	8	SURFACE WITH HER HAND. SHE PUT THE FINGERTIPS OF HER
	9	OTHER HAND AGAINST IT AND ANGLED THAT HAND DOWN SO AS TO
	10	CREATE A SLOPE.
	11	THE WITNESS: THANK YOU.
	12	Q BY MR. HUM: DID CAMERON BROWN VOLUNTEER
	13	ANY INFORMATION ABOUT ANY DOCUMENTATION THAT HE HAD TO
	14	SHOW THAT LAUREN WAS IN ANY PARTICULAR MOOD?
	15	A HE SAID HE HAD PICTURES AND SHOWED ME A
	16	DISPOSABLE CAMERA.
	17	Q AND HAD YOU ASKED HIM IF HE HAD ANY TYPE OF
	18	DOCUMENTATION OR CAMERA OR PICTURES?
	19	A TO BE HONEST, I WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED HIM.
	20	CONSIDERING THE SITUATION, TO BE HONEST, EVEN FOUR YEARS
	21	LATER I WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED.
	22	Q BUT HE VOLUNTEERED --
	23	A HE VOLUNTEERED AND SAID HE HAD PICTURES TO
	24	SHOW THAT EVERYTHING WAS FINE.
	25	Q DID CAMERON BROWN ENGAGE IN ANY OTHER
	26	CONVERSATION THAT STRUCK YOU AS UNUSUAL, GIVEN THE FACT
	27	THAT YOU WERE ABOUT THREE FEET FROM HIS DAUGHTER'S BODY?
	28	A WE TALKED ABOUT A VARIETY OF THINGS, BUT



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	1	THE THING THAT HAS STOOD OUT TO ME THE MOST IS AT THAT
	2	TIME IT WAS -- WE STILL DIDN'T KNOW WHO THE PRESIDENT
	3	WAS. IT WAS THE BUSH/GORE ELECTION TIME, AND IT WAS A
	4	DAY OR TWO AFTER THE ELECTION, AND SO WE WERE ALL WAITING
	5	TO HEAR WHO THE PRESIDENT WAS. AND HE ASKED ME IF I HAD
	6	HEARD WHO THE PRESIDENT WAS. AND THAT STRUCK ME AS VERY
	7	ODD SINCE I WAS AT THE TIME -- ACTUALLY ALMOST THE ENTIRE
	8	TIME I SAT ON THE SEAT OF THE PICNIC TABLE WHERE LAUREN'S
	9	BODY WAS.
	10	Q DID MR. BROWN COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYTHING
	11	DURING THE PERIOD OF TIME YOU WERE WAITING THERE?
	12	A HE CONTINUALLY COMPLAINED ABOUT HIS BOOTS
	13	BEING WET. AND THEY WERE WET.
	14	Q DID THAT STRIKE YOU AS UNUSUAL, GIVEN THE
	15	SITUATION?
	16	A VERY UNUSUAL.
	17	Q NOW, DID YOU REMAIN WITH LAUREN AND WITH
	18	MR. BROWN UNTIL THE HOMICIDE DETECTIVES ARRIVED AT ABOUT
	19	6:20 IN THE EVENING?
	20	A YES.
	21	Q AND AFTER THAT WERE YOU DETAILED TO GO OUT
	22	TO THE ROCKY AREA AT THE BASE OF THE POINT TO WATCH OVER
	23	ANY POTENTIAL EVIDENCE DOWN THERE UNTIL THE HOMICIDE
	24	DETECTIVES GOT THERE?
	25	A YES.
	26	Q THANK YOU, DEPUTY BROTHERS.
	27	MS. PRIVER: ANY QUESTIONS BY ANY MEMBER OF THE
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	1	(PAUSE IN THE PROCEEDINGS.)
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	3	Q BY MR. HUM: DEPUTY BROTHERS, A COUPLE OF
	4	ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
	5	DID CAMERON BROWN INDICATE TO YOU THAT HE
	6	TRIED TO STOP LAUREN WHEN SHE WAS THROWING ROCKS?
	7	A NO. HIS INITIAL STATEMENT WAS THAT HE WAS
	8	SITTING ON THE ROCKS AND THEN WHILE -- ON THE ROCK WHILE
	9	SHE WAS THROWING ROCKS AND SUDDENLY SHE WAS GONE.
	10	Q DID HE INDICATE TO YOU THAT HE ACTUALLY LET
	11	HER CONTINUE TO THROW ROCKS FROM THAT AREA, DOWN CLOSER
	12	TO THE EDGE, WHILE HE SAT ON THE ROCK?
	13	A DO YOU MEAN DID HE REPRIMAND HER FOR DOING
	14	THAT?
	15	Q RIGHT. DID HE INDICATE TO YOU --
	16	A NO.
	17	Q -- THAT HE TRIED TO STOP HER IN ANY WAY?
	18	A NO.
	19	Q AND, DEPUTY BROTHERS, OBVIOUSLY THE
	20	INVESTIGATION WAS FURTHER CONDUCTED BY HOMICIDE
	21	DETECTIVES, CORRECT?
	22	A CORRECT.
	23	Q AND THAT WOULD GENERALLY INCLUDE, TO YOUR
	24	KNOWLEDGE, TAKING MEASUREMENTS OF DISTANCES AND THINGS OF
	25	THAT NATURE?
	26	A CORRECT.
	27	Q DID YOU TAKE ANY MEASUREMENTS OF DISTANCES
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	1	A NO, I DID NOT.
	2	Q BUT HOMICIDE DETECTIVES WOULD HAVE DONE
	3	THAT?
	4	A ABSOLUTELY. AND I KNOW THAT THEY WALKED
	5	THE TRAIL SEVERAL TIMES SINCE THE INITIAL INCIDENT; AND,
	6	TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY MEASURED IT OUT.
	7	Q DO YOU KNOW AN APPROXIMATE DISTANCE AT THIS
	8	POINT IN TIME, OR WOULD WE NEED TO WAIT FOR THE HOMICIDE
	9	DETECTIVE TO TELL US?
	10	A DEFINITELY MORE THAN A MILE. BUT ANY MORE
	11	THAN THAT, HONESTLY --
	12	I WALKED IT WITH HOMICIDE MORE THAN ONCE,
	13	AND I HAD DIFFICULTY. I AM NOT IN THE GREATEST SHAPE. I
	14	HAD DIFFICULTY WITH IT. BUT I KNOW THEY TOOK
	15	MEASUREMENTS.
	16	Q OKAY.
	17	MS. PRIVER: FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS?
	18
	19	(PAUSE IN THE PROCEEDINGS.)
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	21	Q BY MR. HUM: DEPUTY BROTHERS, DO YOU
	22	RECALL -- I THINK YOU TOLD US THAT CAMERON BROWN
	23	INDICATED HE LEFT INSPIRATION POINT AND WENT DOWN TO THE
	24	NUDE BEACH TO GET A CELLPHONE; IS THAT CORRECT?
	25	A CORRECT.
	26	Q AND THEN HE WENT BACK OVER TO THE ARCHERY
	27	RANGE SIDE OF INSPIRATION POINT TO GO AROUND TO LAUREN'S
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	1	A CORRECT.
	2	Q DID HE INDICATE TO YOU WHETHER HE WALKED
	3	ALL THE WAY AROUND THE CLIFF OR WHETHER HE WENT OVER THE
	4	CLIFF, THAT BEING INSPIRATION POINT; OR DID HE INDICATE
	5	HOW HE DID THAT?
	6	A HE COULDN'T ACCESS WHERE HER BODY WAS FROM
	7	THE NUDE BEACH, SO HE HAD TO WALK -- TAKE THE TRAIL BACK
	8	UP TO THE TOP, WHICH IS NOT THE POINT PART OF INSPIRATION
	9	POINT, BUT MORE A BASE OF INSPIRATION POINT CLOSER TO
	10	PALOS VERDES DRIVE SOUTH. AND SO HE HAD TO TAKE THE
	11	TRAIL BACK UP FROM THE NUDE BEACH, CROSS THE TOP OF THE
	12	BASE OF INSPIRATION POINT AND THEN TAKE THE TRAIL BACK
	13	DOWN TO THE ARCHERY RANGE AND AROUND THE COVE. THAT WAS
	14	DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT'S A ROCKY COVE AREA AND THERE ARE
	15	SEVERAL PLACES -- MY EXPERIENCE WORKING ON THE PENINSULA,
	16	THERE ARE SEVERAL PLACES YOU CANNOT JUST FOLLOW THE
	17	PENINSULA ALL THE WAY FROM SAN PEDRO TO TORRANCE. THERE
	18	ARE A LOT OF PLACES THAT JUST ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE DUE TO
	19	THE FACT THAT THE TIDE POOLS ARE AT VARYING DEPTHS AND IT
	20	IS JUST NOT ACCESSIBLE.
	21	Q AND SO DID HE INDICATE TO YOU THAT HE
	22	ACTUALLY TOOK THE TRAIL BACK UP TO THE TOP OF INSPIRATION
	23	POINT, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSER TO THE ROAD, AND THEN
	24	OVER THE TOP?
	25	DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION?
	26	A I DO.
	27	THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PATHWAYS.
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	1	THE ROAD. AND I AM NOT POSITIVE IF HE INDICATED THAT HE
	2	WALKED DIRECTLY ALONG PALOS VERDES DRIVE SOUTH OR IF -- I
	3	BELIEVE THERE IS A SMALLER WALKING PATH MAYBE 20 YARDS
	4	FROM PALOS VERDES DRIVE SOUTH, TOWARDS -- HOLD ON. LET
	5	ME PICTURE THE AREA REAL QUICK.
	6	I DON'T REMEMBER HIS EXACT WORDS, TO BE
	7	HONEST. I KNOW THAT FROM THE NUDE BEACH, THOUGH, THAT
	8	PATH ON THE BASE OF INSPIRATION POINT BEFORE YOU GO OUT
	9	TO THE POINT, YOU NEED TO WALK BACK TO PALOS VERDES DRIVE
	10	SOUTH TO ACCESS THE ARCHERY RANGE. THAT TRAIL IS
	11	ACTUALLY A DRIVEWAY THAT YOU HAVE TO WALK DOWN TO GET TO
	12	THE ARCHERY RANGE.
	13	SO I DON'T BELIEVE HE SPECIFICALLY STATED
	14	THAT HE WENT ON ANY UNMARKED PATH TO THE ARCHERY RANGE.
	15	I HOPE THAT HELPS.
	16	MS. PRIVER: ALL RIGHT, MA'AM. THERE AREN'T ANY
	17	ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
	18	BEFORE YOU GO, OUR FOREPERSON, THE
	19	GENTLEMAN SITTING NEXT TO YOU, IS GOING TO GIVE YOU AN
	20	ADMONITION REGARDING THE CONFIDENTIALITY OF THE GRAND
	21	JURY.
	22	MR. FOREPERSON.
	23	THE FOREPERSON: YOU ARE ADMONISHED NOT TO REVEAL
	24	TO ANY PERSON, EXCEPT AS DIRECTED BY THE COURT, WHAT
	25	QUESTIONS WERE ASKED OR WHAT RESPONSES WERE GIVEN OR ANY
	26	OTHER MATTERS CONCERNING THE NATURE OR SUBJECT OF THE
	27	GRAND JURY'S INVESTIGATION WHICH YOU LEARNED DURING YOUR
	28	APPEARANCE BEFORE THE GRAND JURY UNLESS AND UNTIL SUCH



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	1	TIME AS THE TRANSCRIPT OF THIS GRAND JURY PROCEEDING IS
	2	MADE PUBLIC.
	3	I WISH TO ADVISE YOU THAT A VIOLATION OF
	4	THIS ORDER CAN BE THE BASIS OF A CONTEMPT OF COURT CHARGE
	5	AGAINST YOU.
	6	DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ADMONITION?
	7	THE WITNESS: YES, I DO.
	8	MS. PRIVER: THANK YOU, MA'AM.
	9	YOU ARE EXCUSED.
	10	THE WITNESS: THANK YOU.
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